A conversation between Kunci and
Klaas Stutje. Stutje is a researcher for International Institute of Social
History, Amsterdam. Klaas Stutje takes part in the larger research program
called ‘Four Centuries of Labor Camps: War, Rehabilitation, Ethnicity’, which
is financed by the Dutch Organization for Scientific Research and carried out
by IISH and the NIOD Institute for War, Holocaust and Genocide Studies. The
conversation about his research departs by complicating Netherlands as a site
that encouraged modern education for paternalistic independence formation from
Dutch perspective. His research rather discussed the role of Indonesian
students organisation ‘Perhimpunan Indonesia’ as a network of people that
allowed them to get connected in wider and diverse social movements in European
cities. This network later shaped the idea of nationalist movement in
Indonesia.

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